The Politics of Salsa

The following was posted as a comment to another discussion thread - but it was so good it had to have it's own blog!

On April 1st, 2010 Anonymous says:

I am grateful that in salsa, unlike in many other social/recreational activities, we are not divided or judged by our race, education, or socioeconomic status; on the dance floor, people know you as a good dancer as long as you are one. At the same time, I also realize that in almost no other area of my life, my roles are so strictly determined by my gender as they are in salsa. Men lead; women follow. Most of us never question this rule. Once in a while, I hear the comment that I am a "good follower,” which is intended to be a compliment. I can't help but wonder what it takes to be a "good follower." Obedience? Submissiveness? Non-assertiveness? Obviously, none of the above is true in salsa. We’re not merely “following” – we are the picture, if the “leaders” serve as the frame. It takes hard work, determination and audacity to be a “good follower.”

However, we ARE following. If the “leader” does not understand or is unable to dance to the complicated rhythms of salsa music, we will be lost or unfairly subject to his awkwardness; if he is limited in his repertoire of movement patterns, we are not given many options but secretly hope the song is not too long, so as to be polite and not to make a scene. I wonder why in this day and age, when men are no longer stigmatized for taking care of babies and women can be breadwinners or executives, most of us salseros/as still limit ourselves to the ancient gender roles. Guys, do you really want to take the responsibility for finding and keeping the beat, if you’re actually a novice and don’t know very much about it? Besides, don’t you want to be the picture sometimes, instead of being the frame all the time?

Learning and practicing the opposite role makes one a better dancer, for so much of dancing, particularly social dancing, is about communication. A monologue is not a conversation; it satisfies neither the speaker nor the listener in most cases. Dance patterns, like conversations, consist of elements and are not to be memorized as a whole and executed mechanically, but to be modified and interpreted depending on the context and specific situation. Seeing things from a different perspective facilitates understanding and hence improves communication. Shall I say it makes you not only a better dancer, but also a better person in general?

I would like to practice leading but can only do so occasionally. I am not good at it for lack of opportunities to practice. There are difficulties: I am short; most women are shorter than most men. Then again, why do so many patterns require the leader’s hands to go over the follower’s head? Is it really necessary? It’s hard for short men, too; I’ve done lots of spins on bent knees when I dance with men shorter than I am. I hope some instructors can compile the patterns that allow the shorter partner to lead; I would do that myself if I were good at leading.

I used to go to the gay/lesbian salsa events in San Francisco and dance with other women; I was not required to disclose my sexual orientation. Now I’m in the Midwest and find it difficult to ask a same-sex person to dance. My request is considered a joke or met with shock and disbelief, even among the women with whom I have been friendly. I wonder why men, in contrast, can just come up and ask me to dance without first building rapport or even saying anything. Wouldn’t it be more fun if we all could choose whether to lead or to follow, instead of letting others assume what we are going to do? We can wear T-shirts, or bracelets, to indicate what we’d like to do and switch roles whenever we want to.

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"why do so many patterns

"why do so many patterns require the leader’s hands to go over the follower’s head? Is it really necessary?" --> I don't think it is necessary and there is no rule. It's how the dance has been evolved. It may change as time goes on.

I may be wrong, but if a woman go to YA social and ask regular salsa female dancer to dance with her, it should not be a problem, since they just want to dance and they know how to be a followers (for men dancing to men may be more difficult since most men don't know how to follow).
But if you go to a night club, it may be a different story. A lot of people still see salsa dancing (or any partner dancing) as traditional social events. Therefore, it's possible they are going to guess someone's sexual orientation based on who they dance with.

The pattern vs. the movement & the politics of dancing

A) When you take a class and the instructor demonstrates a particular set of actions, they will generally specify the hands and that may include putting them over the head of your partner. But if you learn to break down patterns into their base components (base, cross body lead, enchufla) you can do variations on the hands lower down. I suggest taking the class and asking the instructor to provide a variation you can use without your partner bending over or stooping. Any instructor worth their salt should be able to do so easily. Also, in most cases, if you close the distance between your partner and yourself, you can actually reach over their head. In that case, the taller partner really needs to make sure they are taking smaller steps. It might be a little uncomfortable socially or if your movements are not really synchronized, but the physics work.

B) I happen to think following is fun, informative (I learn a lot by leading when I follow) and will always give it a try - be patient I don't do it a lot. If I were to follow a guy - yeah it would only be someone I know and it would depend where I was and for better or worse that is kind of just the way the world works. Regardless everyone, men and women would learn a lot by leaning both parts and I wish more women would feel comfortable leading a bit.

Our socials are really set up to provide these open opportunities and maybe in the future we should play a song to switch roles or encourage something along those lines.

Geo-

Switch Roles

Geo-

This is the person who posted the original comment – thanks for reposting it and starting a discussion. It’s a great idea to switch roles. I can picture this: when a song stops, someone makes an announcement: “You’ll all dance the next song with the same partner, but the two of you have to switch roles!” It would be hilarious – at least a fun game to play – but people can get used to the idea gradually. Although not everyone would concede, I think it’s sensible for all beginners to learn how to follow first, as in learning a new language, one has to listen first in order to learn how to pronounce words, even though speaking and listening require two different sets of skills at more advanced levels. (As listeners, we tend to get a bit impatient if all we hear is non-stop gibberish. Well, unless you are a cute baby.)

Besides techniques of leading and following, another idea is to challenge predetermined gender roles and unwarranted customs that come along with them. For example, the majority of women still wait for men to ask them to dance rather than take the initiative to ask the men. It is not that one has to be able to lead so as to ask a potential partner to dance, but it makes more sense for the “leader” to ask, because the “leader” is technically in charge of the timing, movement patterns, and overall presentation of the dance and has to be confident enough to take such responsibilities. In other words, those who are confident enough to lead, regardless of gender, should be the ones who ask. Of course, this doesn’t have to be a set rule, as in a conversation, the roles of the listener and the speaker can be readily switched, especially if both partners are fluent in the language.

With its roots in Latin America, where unabridged machismo is still alive and kicking, salsa is inevitably colored by gendered assumptions. (When I’m in Latin America, guys don’t even directly ask me to dance, but instead ask my partner, who is assumed to be my husband/boyfriend, if he would “allow” me to dance with them.) As salseros/as in the US, we need some kind of “affirmative action” on the dance floor, which would eventually benefit all of us.

Anna

A blissful S&M

Do you know that most S&M relationships can be more stable than normal unions? That's because the roles and responsibilities are defined, commonly understood, and very little left to conflicting interpretation. Cathecism of relationships.

But when does it become troublesome?

When one person wants out from this confined role, and the other wants to remain without change. The change is now seen as a threat by that remaining person, for it interrupts the status quo way of deriving his or her wellbeing, pleasure based in this case. That person's compulsion to the known is rudely awakened. And the disruptor is (wrongfully) fingered as the bad person.

So, what signs should we carry on each other to say we are 'S' or 'M wanting to be S'.

All possibilities start with communication. Perhaps a Tee shirt with 'S' or 'M to S'.